Gamecool 73: You meant the very opposite

On ch 28-29 of The Amber Spyglass, by Philip Pullman, with apologies for the delay and recommendations for further listening:

https://newschoolnotes.blogspot.com/2021/07/signum-academy-discussions-on-pullman.html

There's short discussions of Pullman's Fairy Tales from The Brothers Grimm, Clockwork, The Scarecrow and his Servant, and The Firework-Maker's Daughter